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Old 08-08-2010, 05:49 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Well, Frank Lee, you must admit that the thread does seem to have a 'flow' to the story line....I mean, I was drawn to go thru the whole thing....expecting a different result.......but like you, I'm slapping my head to try and clear the last 8 minutes.....

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Old 08-08-2010, 08:58 AM   #52 (permalink)
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...I have something that will do the same thing as the mpguino on that car.
You should describe your instrumentation in detail, and its calibration and margin of error.


And since there have been a number of people who tried magnets with no luck, and there is no reason to believe we don't collectively understand the effects of magnets on fuel, you can expect a lot more scrutiny if your testing indicates they did something.
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The placebo effect is what I suspect is happening. And i think i can help

hondo has offered to loan me a magnet array for testing. Considering my wife drives around 300 miles a week, I can put these magnets on the fuel line without her knowledge and simply continue to monitor the results. I also drive the car, just not as much as her, so I'll be able to tell if there is any change. And I also have a scanguage, so I'll be quite capable of giving decent results.

And yes, this thread is indeed gripping
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I think you missed the point I was trying to make, which is that it's not rational to do either speed or fuel economy mods for economic reasons. You do it as a form of recreation, for the fun and for the challenge.
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The placebo effect is what I suspect is happening. And i think i can help

hondo has offered to loan me a magnet array for testing. Considering my wife drives around 300 miles a week, I can put these magnets on the fuel line without her knowledge and simply continue to monitor the results. I also drive the car, just not as much as her, so I'll be able to tell if there is any change. And I also have a scanguage, so I'll be quite capable of giving decent results.

And yes, this thread is indeed gripping
*Shade dons the white coat, glasses and clipboard...

Go for it, this is like Mythbusters but without the strange and distracting facial hair.
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Old 08-08-2010, 05:21 PM   #55 (permalink)
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dcb,mccrews,jamesqf,et al, If you look back to last years thread and the pummelling I took then, and to see me come back this year with another attempt for help, then you must see that I am committed to finding out what is happening and how it can be utilized for the benefit of all. We should approach this as a search for a pot gold, not how to bury a pile of elephant droppings
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*Shade dons the white coat, glasses and clipboard...

Go for it, this is like Mythbusters but without the strange and distracting facial hair.
I have been known to don facial hair in the winter for warmth, but not the overgrown bush Jamie wears!

And I do intend to make a fair expirement of it. I could say I have done quite a bit of preliminary control testing, so what I'm likely to do is get one tankful completed sans the magnets after i change the oil, to get a baseline for having fresh oil. Then the expirement shall commence
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sweet! make sure you don't tell her that you are testing anything. but at the same time try to get a driving log to see if there is any significant deviation from her driving with and without the magnet. for instance if she ends up hauling something really heavy during a hot day with the a/c on while baselining without the magnet, then drives a week with the magnet on with no heavy loads and minimal a/c, the test would show that magnets do not change the fuel economy but they do control the climate to such an extent that installing a magnet on the fuel line will drop atmospheric temps enough that you don't need a/c.

now that's one powerful magnet!
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I'm a little confused in your first post you say.

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Last year I posted a thread about increasing milage using high powered magnets. I stated I would do a A-B-A test.
I am still getting 34-35 mpg with ethenol fuel. I did an A-B-A test. The milage stayed the same when I took off the magnets.
Then go on to say that it increased your MPG, when you have stated it was the same.

I just wanted to inject some info and thoughts.
First running only short trips will create carbon deposits in the motor since there is not enough heat and time to burn them off. A magnet should not have any effect on how clean the motor is or will get and the gunk that is cleaned with a topend cleaner will exit the tail pipe. Petrol is nonpolar so it will not be effected by magnetism. Also most cars when resetting the PCM/ECU or changing types of gas the computer should learn the changes in about a half a tank and that counts for OBDI cars.

With that said the ethanol and detergents in the gas could have some impact on how clean the motor is but should not get to the oil (unless the piston rings are going or the PCV is bad causing suction from the bottom end). Alcohol is a polar body and could possibly be effected by magnetism but to test that one should run e85 with and with out the magnet to check the changes.

A few ways that magnets could/can help is:
Place one on drain pan by the drain plug and remove just before draining the oil. This can keep magnetic metal shavings from moving through the engine to help keep wear down.
The next would be to place one on the bottom of a motorcycle to increase the inductance so that the coils in the road that tell if a car is sitting at a light will be able to detect the motorcycle sitting there. See Trigger GREEN Traffic Lights
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I'm a little confused in your first post you say....

Then go on to say that it increased your MPG, when you have stated it was the same.
Magnets have great spiritual power. We know this because we can't observe them improving mpg, and yet they improve mpg at the same time.
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