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Old 08-10-2010, 08:19 PM   #61 (permalink)
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Magnets have great spiritual power. We know this because we can't observe them improving mpg, and yet they improve mpg at the same time.
It's a quantum dynamical effect. They improve fuel economy until you observe them.

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Old 08-10-2010, 09:01 PM   #62 (permalink)
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A few ways that magnets could/can help is:
Place one on drain pan by the drain plug and remove just before draining the oil. This can keep magnetic metal shavings from moving through the engine to help keep wear down.
That isn't a bad idea at all. A large CB attenna magnet should do the job. Of course, this is also assuming my aluminum engine has cast iron sleeves
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I think you missed the point I was trying to make, which is that it's not rational to do either speed or fuel economy mods for economic reasons. You do it as a form of recreation, for the fun and for the challenge.
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Old 08-10-2010, 09:07 PM   #63 (permalink)
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sweet! make sure you don't tell her that you are testing anything. but at the same time try to get a driving log to see if there is any significant deviation from her driving with and without the magnet. for instance if she ends up hauling something really heavy during a hot day with the a/c on while baselining without the magnet, then drives a week with the magnet on with no heavy loads and minimal a/c, the test would show that magnets do not change the fuel economy but they do control the climate to such an extent that installing a magnet on the fuel line will drop atmospheric temps enough that you don't need a/c.

now that's one powerful magnet!
Considering it's a car, and she rarely has deviated from her normal driving style, I suspect she'll be a good tester. She always keeps the AC on, and since she has the digital climate control, which she leaves on 73, that shouldn't cause much of an issue. We're also going into the end of summer, so for the next couple months I expect fairly steady predictable temperatures.

I'm also in a catch 22. I was wanting to try a lower weight oil in the Max to see what it would do, but it's just time to change it as well. So I fear skewing the results by changing the oil (which is needed. badly.) I think there is close to 10k miles on this change, and the only thing that keeps me from worrying is the fact I put sythetic into it.
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Old 08-11-2010, 09:32 PM   #64 (permalink)
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Phantom, Origional I had maxed out at 29mpg highway, when car was new with fuel cleaner installed. Two years ago I installed magnets on the maxima, which is my around town low miles driven car. I had not driven that car on highway until this spring where I got 34.9 mpg which verified the maxima had increased mpg. I also have a 2006 altima which we drive on trips and weekends errands.
The altima had a top mpg of 28mpg. I installed the magnets and took a trip to The Berkshires. I have a mpg guage on the altima. By the time we reached the exit the milage had increased to 35.9 mpg then we had to exit. We went to a gas station and filled up and verified the milage by hand.That was with real gas. Since then we have gotten up to 37 mpg. I also installed magnets around the air intake, that gave it a little boost to 38 mpg. Since ethenol came out the mpg has fallen to 34-35 mpg.
When I say I am still getting 34-35 mpg it is from last year which I had increased to 34-35 and am still getting that mpg. What i'm saying is the mpg hasn't dropped and after removing the magnets it stayed the same. Hope that helps.
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...it's Faith-based fuel economy...you just gotta "...believe..." man!
AKA 'animal magnetism' or Mesmerism. It has a hypnotic effect on those who are looking for magic panaceas.

The allure here is as old as 'snake oil' and 'patent medicine'. Funny how the 'amazing magnet discovery' sales pitch only appears when gas prices are high and consumers become desperate for relief.

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Considering it's a car, and she rarely has deviated from her normal driving style

Shadetree,
I love that sentence........It says SOOOOOOOOOO much with so few words........
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Wow! Those magnets really are amazing! I glued some onto my head and my I.Q. went up 37%!
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are you framiliar with experimenter's bias? someone else can explain it better then i.
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Wow! Those magnets really are amazing! I glued some onto my head and my I.Q. went up 37%!
Strange. I got an email from a 'Doctor' who I didn't know but has an online pharmacy so he must be legit. He suggested strapping them elsewhere. Didn't have any of the effects he suggested though.

I feel cheated.

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