"The Volt" May BE SCRAPPED!- NEVER BUILT!!

[tjts1]

Originally Posted by Jammer

The people I have meet that buy high mileage cars often point out their gas mileage first thing.

Have these people bought $40k cars lately? Trust me. No new luxury car owner knows or even cares about the cost per mile of their luxo barge. The only thing that matters is image, toys and how does it stack up with the neighbor's ride.
If they cared about cost per mile there would be no Jaguar, BMW or Mercedes. The people that care about cost per mile don't buy $40k cars. Nobody on this forum is going to buy a new Volt.

[gone-ot]

...does the "pretty" blue "h" symbol come with it, or is it an optional extra (wink,wink)?

[theunchosen]

I agree with tjts. IF this thing was going to have a chance it would have to wearing Caddy badges. IT would have to have all the luxuries that come with the terf too.

From images I've seen its going to be toast.

Even if the speculation is off by 25% and its only 30K its still up their with lex, BMW and Merc... and its still screwed. Tjts is right. The people who shell out that kind of cash for a vehicle are almsot exclusively interested in comparison to the Jones' and how important do they feel driving it.

James I agree it would be true that people who are concerned about avoiding jihadists getting money would be the ones interested in this car... but the ones who can afford it own a petrochemical company anyway so its a little bit of a conflict of interests... Not quite but you know what I mean. Most people who bought original insights didn't have the budget space extra for buying two of them at the same time...(effectively what the volt costs).

One of the longest standing facts of automanufacturers is cars produced for the masses keep the company afloat. There are virtually no supercar manufacturers still standing today... they all went belly up and got bought up by the likes of VW, Fiat, and Audi. There is a reason for it. The market of people with extra cash on hand to float towards "luxury items" (vehicles that cost more than they have to) dwindles during economic recession. Ford, Audi, Fiat, and VW produce cars that people have to have. People have to be able to get around and those manufacturers produce vehicles that are "base" level(yes of course they could buy used but eventually someone is going to buy a new car and its certainly not going to be an expensive in an economic downturn).

Trying to build a high investment, low return, low effect product at this time is suicide. If the markets were booming it would be a great idea because the conscientious people would have the money to float to do this. Right now? The only people who have the money to float couldn't care less....

[gone-ot]

...lots of PEANUT-BUTTER sandwich cars, very few JELLY cars.

[Frank Lee]

Originally Posted by theunchosen

In a logical world it would not. I am going to pretend this is a logical world... because if its not then my reasons for going to work every day go out the window.
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That said... in a logical world no one would try and build this half-assed project, sell it for that price, against that competition...

One would have to pretend to conclude this is a logical world! Don't worry, Spock had a hard time with that too.

You must know that for the vast bulk of vehicle purchase decisions, the process consists of:

1) Does this vehicle project the image I want to portray?

2) Can I make the monthly payments?

3) Nope! Sorry! There is nothing more! That's it!

[tjts1]

Originally Posted by Old Tele man

...does the "pretty" blue "h" symbol come with it, or is it an optional extra (wink,wink)?

Originally Posted by Old Tele man

...lots of PEANUT-BUTTER sandwich cars, very few JELLY cars.

Are you high?

[Christ]

Originally Posted by Frank Lee

One would have to pretend to conclude this is a logical world! Don't worry, Spock had a hard time with that too.

You must know that for the vast bulk of vehicle purchase decisions, the process consists of:

1) Does this vehicle project the image I want to portray?

2) Can I make the monthly payments?

3) Nope! Sorry! There is nothing more! That's it!

When did people start caring about this again?

[Frank Lee]

Touche!

"2) Can I make the downpayment and the first couple of monthly payments?"

There, I fixed it.

[jamesqf]

Originally Posted by Jammer

[b]Price per mile is ALWAYS VERY relevant.

I suppose that's why there are a bunch of people riding around in Hummers, SUVs, and crew-cab dually pickups, not to mention Corvettes and Camaros. It's 'cause they care so much about price per mile :-)

The people I have meet that buy high mileage cars often point out their gas mileage first thing. I have yet to hear one of them brag to me about their car's Co2 emissions...

You do know that there's a 1:1 relationship between mpg and CO2 emissions, and mpg is a much more familiar figure. If I tell people my Insight only does X grams of CO2 per mile, very few know whether that's good or bad. But if I tell them 70 mpg, they do.

[jamesqf]

Originally Posted by theunchosen

...but the ones who can afford it own a petrochemical company anyway so its a little bit of a conflict of interests...

One of us is obvious out of touch here. I admit I don't really keep up with car prices, but from what I see $40K is a fairly normal price for a new car. People shell out that much and more for new SUVs and trucks, even for sedans. Or to pick another limited-production Chevy - yet one I see on the roads often enough - a quick search shows MSRP for the Corvette running between $48K and $103K, so obviously there are people willing to pay those prices.