OBII Smarter than us?

[racprops]

Originally Posted by pgfpro

Have you looked at Moates and TunerPro for fords
Link Ford Overview (READ ME) « Moates Support

No missed them...

Thanks.

Looks promising. They do indeed cover more and Fords.

And they sell modals that can allow returning PCMs, and at a much more reasonable price.

VERY PROMISING as I am a bit of a electronic tech so add these part will not be a major problem for me.

And a thousand thanks.

If I can be any help to you...

Rich

[euromodder]

Originally Posted by racprops

A small Volcano puts out more gasses and junk than we have our total time on this planet.

Those volcanic effects can't be measured anymore though.
Whatever they were, the effects have died out, so however bad it was, it's still gone.

The effects of tiny diesel particulates produced today, CAN be measured, and can be linked to narrowing arteries ... tomorrow (or even the next hour).

That's the difference ...

Global Warming, good news: WE are not causing it...

I don't believe in anthropogenic global warming.
It's mankind attributing too much importance to itself.

We're just burning through some pretty useful resource that we'll sourly need in years to come.

Oil has far better uses than to burn it in an engine.

[NachtRitter]

Originally Posted by racprops

From what I understand there are hundreds, thousands doing it right now.

Check eBay under HHO.

Apparently the suppression isn't working then, right? Seems like a good time to get into the biz and get it done. If you come up with something that works for Grannies and Hot Rodders AND passes the required EPA testing, I'd definitely be interested... I'd love to get over 80mpg (only getting ~60mpg now )

[racprops]

Originally Posted by euromodder

Those volcanic effects can't be measured anymore though.
Whatever they were, the effects have died out, so however bad it was, it's still gone.

Read up on the 1812 Summer that didn't happen and there have been a few other events that have cased lack of food and caused starving world wide.

The effects of tiny diesel particulates produced today, CAN be measured, and can be linked to narrowing arteries ... tomorrow (or even the next hour).


Then we are surely doomed as we use Trucks to supply EVERYTHING.

That's the difference ...


I don't believe in anthropogenic global warming.
It's mankind attributing too much importance to itself.

We're just burning through some pretty useful resource that we'll sourly need in years to come.

Oil has far better uses than to burn it in an engine.

Well relax OIL is NOT dead Dinosaurs and crushed plants...

The Earth makes it all the time.

And consider, The La Bray Tar Pits, what do we keep getting out of them??

Dinosaurs, and if oil and tar ARE made on dead Dinos how did they become trapped in something that should take millions of years to be made out of them?

There is so much oil we cannot burn though it in 200 years...

Rich

[euromodder]

Originally Posted by racprops

The question was do the US made and programed PCMs stop all improvements in MPG?

No they don't and this site and (most of) its users are a good indication that they don't.


While engine controls can be and were tweaked to get better official test results, they don't stop you from doing better than the official MPG results.

You only have to apply the right methods , i.e. those that actually work.

[racprops]

Originally Posted by NachtRitter

Apparently the suppression isn't working then, right? Seems like a good time to get into the biz and get it done. If you come up with something that works for Grannies and Hot Rodders AND passes the required EPA testing, I'd definitely be interested... I'd love to get over 80mpg (only getting ~60mpg now )

I think it is like "wrack a mole" if they companies don't crash and burn from scamming and are honest but stay small they are left alone, but get too big and wham.

I have been told to stay under $100,000 per year.

Thanks.

Rich

[euromodder]

Clueless ...

I'm out.

[NachtRitter]

Originally Posted by racprops

I think it is like "wrack a mole" if they companies don't crash and burn from scamming and are honest but stay small they are left alone, but get too big and wham.

I have been told to stay under $100,000 per year.

Hardly worth the effort then. If you want to be honest and have something that actually works, that is. You'd only be able to sell 100 - 200 units a year (assuming $500 to $1000 ea). The overhead would kill you if the suppressors don't. Sounds like a "lose, lose" approach... you lose because you can't make enough money, and customers lose because they can't buy more than a limited amount.

Maybe get into a different line of work? Maybe wheels? $1200 for 4 (and everybody buys at least 4) ... the profit margin must be huge on those. Demand for American made stuff is high and there are a lot of people out of work, especially in manufacturing. You'd be able to "kill two birds with one stone". And as far as I know, there is no limit on how much you can make per year.

Or something else? Goal is to make money, right?

[racprops]

Originally Posted by NachtRitter

Hardly worth the effort then. If you want to be honest and have something that actually works, that is. You'd only be able to sell 100 - 200 units a year (assuming $500 to $1000 ea). The overhead would kill you if the suppressors don't. Sounds like a "lose, lose" approach... you lose because you can't make enough money, and customers lose because they can't buy more than a limited amount.

Maybe get into a different line of work? Maybe wheels? $1200 for 4 (and everybody buys at least 4) ... the profit margin must be huge on those. Demand for American made stuff is high and there are a lot of people out of work, especially in manufacturing. You'd be able to "kill two birds with one stone". And as far as I know, there is no limit on how much you can make per year.

Or something else? Goal is to make money, right?

First I meant $100,000.00 PROFIT, take home pay Taxable income.

I have lived on under $30,000.00 year for many years I would be very happy with $100,000.00 per year...

Everything else cost millions in startup costs. You're years in the red.

THIS is what kills many companies.

Just like location is also killer.

I have been self employed for over 45 years.

First as a TV repairman for 12 years and lately... well my current work.

Before that I worked as a light auto repairman in the old Gas Stations when they were doing auto repairs. That was my first 10 years.

Clueless??

Lets check the score:

One person said HHO and Gas Vapor works just will not double MPG.

Another said you CAN reprogram the PCM, and improve things.
He wants 80 MPG up from his current 60MPG....

So I am NOT crazy...

Thanks.

It was worth all the BS to get real answers.

Rich

[NachtRitter]

Ah, sorry... didn't realize the spooks would have access to your financials so they would know how much of your income was profit vs. COGS.

That doesn't really make sense though, right? Wouldn't they care more about how many units were sold vs how much profit you make? I mean, if you sell 1 million of these units a year at only $0.10 profit, you'd still make your "safe" $100,000 profit but the oil companies would be screwed. You're saying they won't bother you?

Even so, why would you want to put all that effort into something that has an artificial profit limit? You're obviously a smart fellow; if you can come up with a great solution that will save people money, you should be rewarded appropriately. If you profit more than $100,000 but really don't want more than that for yourself, then give the rest away to your favorite charity... don't let the oil companies dictate the limit of how much you can profit from your hard work and dedication!