OBII Smarter than us?

[racprops]

Originally Posted by JRMichler

The big problem with compressed air anything is efficiency. At industrial air pressures of about 100 PSI, it takes about 4 hp of air compressor per 1 hp of air motor. At the high pressures (3000 to 5000 PSI) needed for a compressed air vehicle, the efficiency is worse.

Low efficiency = expensive to run.

We need to keep this thread going for the entertainment value.

I can only go by what they were calming, a recharge at home on a wall plug of 4 hours VS 12 hours for a electric car...

They seemed to have figured it all out.

This was NOT vaporware, there were videos of the air cars being driven in a city, not just on a test track like most experimental cars are shown...

So I believed them and have not checked up what followed...

Rich

[jamesqf]

Originally Posted by JRMichler

The big problem with compressed air anything is efficiency.

Have to disagree on this. While efficiency is a problem, the BIG problem is storing enough compressed air to power a vehicle for any distance. People complain about the lack of range of current EVs - 70-200 miles or so on a charge - but a comparable air-powered vehicle might have a 7-20 mile range. And high-pressure storage vessels are heavy: ever humped scuba tanks around?

Now those working examples; air powered tools, torpedos, tunnelling equipment and so on? If you think about it, they're either powered from a central compressor (thus eliminating the need for on-board storage), or like the torpedo, only need to go for a fairly short distance before exploding.

And with tunnelling equipment, you're killing a couple of birds with one stone: you can't have exhaust fumes or sparks underground, and you have to ventilate the tunnel anyway, so you might as well pipe the compressed ventilation air through your equipment...

We need to keep this thread going for the entertainment value.

Agreed :-)

[racprops]

Tell you what..you guys do the home work.

I found a dozen sites talking about air and flame-less steam engines and cars.

Most did not talk about the range or other fine details...

All I can see is they spent a lot of money on them and not as toys but as WORK ENGINES and for what they wanted is seems these filled the bill.

Now say why don't you go play with each another..tear each another apart.

Rich

[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by racprops

Most did not talk about the range or other fine details...

They never do.
Range is one of the top considerations to anyone that might be considering an alternative powered vehicle, so its hardly a fine detail not worth mentioning.

[Frank Lee]

Originally Posted by racprops

Tell you what..you guys do the home work.

I found a dozen sites talking about air and flame-less steam engines and cars.

Most did not talk about the range or other fine details...

All I can see is they spent a lot of money on them and not as toys but as WORK ENGINES and for what they wanted is seems these filled the bill.

Now say why don't you go play with each another..tear each another apart.

Rich

You are like a fail magnet- if it doesn't work and/or doesn't have a prayer of working, you are all over it. What's up with that?

Now I'll tell YOU what: pick any Unicorn that suits your A.D.D. addled fancy of the moment and search for it here on EM. We have already done all the fighting amongst ourselves for you.

P.S. Look up "Ram Implosion Wing", it's right up your alley.

[NachtRitter]

Originally Posted by racprops

Conspiracy 101: It has been said the last bunch of wars were fought over oil.

It has been said (on hundreds of web sites...go look them up yourselves) that the oil companies have been behind the major of suppression events, by buying patents, scaring people to stop, by sabotage, by doctoring the local fuels to stop vapor carbs, to many other dirty tricks.

It has been hinted that oil companies and auto makers killed the Turbine cars, the early (the last 30 years) electric cars, and now perhaps the AIR CAR.

The reason is said to be they fear the lost income from our massive use of oil and the much lighter use that would happen with the other cars...

And before some smart guy jumps in with this fact, I will point out the Turbine was not a great MPG car in fact it was as bad as the other cars MPG wise, it its case it lack of service parts and projected 500,000 to one million life seems to have partly done it in.

I will point out it was super clean : smog wise.

Rich

The turbine GUZZLED fuel... the claim that the oil companies killed it doesn't even make any sense at all... it's "silly" as you call it.

And you have heard of electric cars, right? They can use ZERO oil-based fuels (depends on the grid of course), require ZERO oil changes, and the service parts are a fraction of a comparable ICE car. So electric cars shouldn't exist since (as you claim) both car companies and oil companies are going to lose out. Yet here they are (or here they come)... Nissan Leaf, Chevy Spark EV, BMW i3, VW eGolf, Ford Focus Electric, Tesla S ...

How is that possible??

[wickydude]

But... But... But... It's on the interweb, so it MUST be true!
And I like what it says, so it MUST be true!
And it's about conspiracies, so it MUST be true!
And you all crazy EMers, I don't like what you say, so you CAN'T be right!

[racprops]

Originally Posted by NachtRitter

The turbine GUZZLED fuel... the claim that the oil companies killed it doesn't even make any sense at all... it's "silly" as you call it.

The press release said comparable to common V8 of that day...

It its case of the lack of service parts and projected 500,000 to one million mile life that seems to have partly done it in.

I will point out it was super clean : smog wise.


And you have heard of electric cars, right? They can use ZERO oil-based fuels (depends on the grid of course), require ZERO oil changes, and the service parts are a fraction of a comparable ICE car. So electric cars shouldn't exist since (as you claim) both car companies and oil companies are going to lose out. Yet here they are (or here they come)... Nissan Leaf, Chevy Spark EV, BMW i3, VW eGolf, Ford Focus Electric, Tesla S ...

How is that possible??

Right and most were made outside our country and at long last our car makers are following along kicking and crying all the way.

But with so many OTHER car makes doing they they had no choice.

Watch the who killed the Electric Car and then watch Revenge of the Electric Car.

Rich

[racprops]

Originally Posted by wickydude

But... But... But... It's on the interweb, so it MUST be true!
And I like what it says, so it MUST be true!
And it's about conspiracies, so it MUST be true!
And you all crazy EMers, I don't like what you say, so you CAN'T be right!

Wheres there is smoke there might be fire.

Of course all your fine upstanding US people would never think anyone in our Government not our large companies would NEVER do any thing bad and not in OUR best interest RIGHT???

In fact it is unamerican to do what your doing Why your cheating the oil companies out of their rightful profits and the government out of their rightful taxes, so you all better stop all your unamerican driving habits.

Rich

[UFO]

Originally Posted by racprops

I can only go by what they were calming, a recharge at home on a wall plug of 4 hours VS 12 hours for a electric car...

They seemed to have figured it all out.

This was NOT vaporware, there were videos of the air cars being driven in a city, not just on a test track like most experimental cars are shown...

So I believed them and have not checked up what followed...

Rich

Anyone can make a claim and a video. Your own verification is the first step towards "believing" the claim, and not before. But if you have experience and/or education in physics and the scientific method, one can more easily understand what is going to work and what will not.

There is a lot of scamming out there, and it's not just the oil companies.