Tesla Model 3

[roflwaffle]

Originally Posted by sendler

Nobody that jumped in with their $1,000 to get an early spot in line new at the time that only loaded cars would be built for the first year. And nobody had any idea about the vast difference between the price of a loaded car and the stripped car. $5,000 for the premium package, $8,000 for the autonomous packages. $9,000 for an extra 100 miles range.

Pretty much everyone I spoke to in line and the people who reserved early on the teslamotorsclub forum expected the loaded cars to be produced/sold first. That's what Tesla did with the S and the X. People lined up outside of stores so they would have a better chance at getting their Model 3 while the tax credit was still at $7500.

[redpoint5]

So you might even be able to break even buying a higher optioned 3 if you consider the lost tax advantage one might face if buying the lower optioned model.

[sendler]

Originally Posted by roflwaffle

Pretty much everyone I spoke to in line and the people who reserved early on the teslamotorsclub forum expected the loaded cars to be produced/sold first. That's what Tesla did with the S and the X. People lined up outside of stores so they would have a better chance at getting their Model 3 while the tax credit was still at $7500.

Did they expect their $35,000 car would be $58,000? That's quite a jump.

[RedDevil]

Originally Posted by sendler

Did they expect their $35,000 car would be $58,000? That's quite a jump.

But they did not expect to get the 85 kWh battery, fancy paint, big wheels, high end stereo, extended self-driving capabilities and what not for free, did they?
Even fully loaded it is still cheaper than a bare model S.

The cost of those extras isn't out of line with the other models. Anyone who looked at those knew what to expect.

[sendler]

Problem is, this 50k+ price still makes it a car for the rich early adopter. It can't compete with the Bolt or the upcoming Ioniq on price. Or a 40kWh Gen2 Leaf or Zoe. Which means most eco conscious buyers will still be looking at Civic, Camry, Focus, Cruze at way less than half the price.
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Who really wants $8,000 worth of autonomous hardware? A very expensive toy. I would leave out all of the airbags if I could save another $5,000. Cars are ridiculously expensive. $50,000 is not what the world needs. Mass consumption gone mad.

[RedDevil]

Originally Posted by sendler

Problem is, this 50k+ price still makes it a car for the rich early adopter. It can't compete with the Bolt or the upcoming Ioniq on price. Or a 40kWh Gen2 Leaf or Zoe. Which means most eco conscious buyers will still be looking at Civic, Camry, Focus, Cruze at way less than half the price.
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Who really wants $8,000 worth of autonomous hardware? A very expensive toy. I would leave out all of the airbags if I could save another $5,000. Cars are ridiculously expensive. $50,000 is not what the world needs. Mass consumption gone mad.

The $35,000 (- incentives + $1200 delivery cost) versions will be produced eventually.
It will still be bigger and faster than the Leaf, Bolt and Ioniq.
The Leaf is not here yet either, and the Ioniq does not have the range.

To each their own, but if I had to choose between these 4 I'd kick myself if I didn't get the Tesla.
But I expect the Ioniq to be substantially cheaper than the others and would therefore probably buy that, despite the range.

[RedDevil]

Remember it is a buyers market, and buyers are often not rational.
They'll buy what they want, not what they need or even can afford.
If you sell you need them wanting.

Tesla needs to be and stay cool to be able to make long term profit.
So, with limited capacity as yet, they fork out the high spec cars first.
Cars you want but cannot buy are cool. Cars you can buy but do not want are not.

[NeilBlanchard]

The long range Model 3 is the lowest cost / mile of range of any EV built today.

The Bolt EV is next, and the base Model 3 is third. If you want to buy the options, you have to pay for them. We will be buying a Bolt EV (probably in September) and since we have been driving two EV's for almost 3 years, and we know what we want and need: we have to buy the Premier in order to get the heated back seats, and it comes with other useful things. And, we like a couple of the standard colors, but we really like the Kinetic Blue, so we will pay for that. We definitely will be getting the CCS option, which is $750. Now, we hope to make a good deal, but the MSRP of the one we are hopefully getting is about $43,500.

The Model 3 comes standard with a Supercharger, and a 10kW (I think?) Level 2 - neither of those are even offered on the Bolt EV. The Model 3 is the MOST EFFICIENT car ever sold in the US. And it is the reason that GM is building the Bolt EV.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by NeilBlanchard

We will be buying a Bolt EV (probably in September) and since we have been driving two EV's for almost 3 years, and we know what we want and need

Have you leased any of your EVs, or were they all purchases? Do you have a reservation for the Model 3?

I'll probably buy a gen I Leaf for my parents in the next year, and perhaps I'll buy a used Model 3 in 4 years for myself.

[freebeard]

Originally Posted by RedDevil

...and buyers are often not rational.

Were I faced with the situation, I'd go with the Model 3 simply because the nose is ready for a three-color vinyl shark mouth.