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Old 05-02-2019, 03:46 PM   #1141 (permalink)
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It is not a good idea to buy the 150 km version because Tesla will not allow you to upgrade its range.
https://electrek.co/2019/05/02/tesla...pgrade-canada/
The existence of the Standard version frees up the rebate for the Standard Range Plus too, so that's the one Tesla wants you to buy. With the rebate it comes just under CAD $50,000, FSD and all. As both versions use the same battery there will be little difference costwise, so it is easy to see the logic.

Perhaps it will change when demand for the more expensive versions wanes enough to free up capacity for large numbers of Standard range cars?

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If the batteries are in there, at some point somebody will "break" the computer and gain the ability to actually own the property they bought. Just like government plans will be thwarted by crafty individuals so will big corporations plans. "Software limited" is temporary until new software is written. The only thing that might prevent it from happening is if they keep the production numbers low enough so there is no market of people who want to fix their car. Make 100,000 of them that way and a $500 "tune" to unlock everything will be out in a matter of months.
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No chance. It is all one big integrated system with Paypal level code security.
Advanced hackers could manipulate the onboard web browser and fool some sensors, but the system code was impossible to hack.
Even if a hack would be successful Tesla would know instantly and take amends.

You own the hardware but not the software - at least not the right to alter the software.
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So it's unsinkable.
You do own the software and in this case the new software wouldn't be Tesla's anyway. Just like rooting an Iphone.

I also guarantee PayPal level security isn't that great if people had physical access to the computer and all it's inputs like they do on the Tesla they own.

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Tesla does not sell you the full capacity of the battery for that money. That it is physically there does not make you the rightful owner if you did not pay for that part. No doubt the sales agreement will reflect that.
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So it's unsinkable.
You do own the software and in this case the new software wouldn't be Tesla's anyway. Just like rooting an Iphone.

I also guarantee PayPal level security isn't that great if people had physical access to the computer and all it's inputs like they do on the Tesla they own.
Jail breaking an iPhone is an excellent example. No doubt Apple has better security than Tesla and it generally takes a matter of days before someone has hacked a new update to allow the phone to do things that Apple doesn’t allow

The difference is that there are millions of iPhone users so there is a huge incentive to hack iPhones
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As a hobby thing, it could work. If your hobby is breaking computers. It wouldn't work as a transportation thing, either, but as a "look at how good I am, I can do this" way. And if you're that good at it, you probably already own a Tesla or two and never gave a thought to buying the crippled version.

The only way any of this could pay off financially is if you were to sell your software (and any hardware required), but you'd be targeting a nonexistent market of people who bought Teslas, but didn't want to pay for the good versions, and are willing to pay you big bucks for a software download that would void every scrap of warranty and render the car nearly unsellable. Or in the "look at me" sense and it gets you a job.
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The most difficult parts of the software could probably be circumvented with new hardware and software.

Think about how CDs, DVDs, Bluray and Playstation discs were supposed to be secure. Bluray was defeated like 2 weeks after its release. Playstation had a cheap hardware mod to fool the thing into thinking it had a legit disc.

Every defense has a counter.
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EVTV have been at it for years.

Also, the Car Hacker's handbook. Car Hacker's Handbook
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I would think that if I posted a "How to hack a Tesla" video I would quickly hear from their legal team.

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