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Old 04-29-2019, 03:20 AM   #1121 (permalink)
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Home improvement shows exist to make money through entertainment and other ancillary endeavors that bring in money. I'm sure they are at least occasionally useful too, though I've probably watched 100 such shows for every actual project I've tackled.

I find it most useful to decide what project to tackle, and then google specific advice on how best to accomplish it.

Then there's shows like the Woodwright Shop, which is just fascinating to watch a craftsman work expertly using tools we wouldn't imagine could work as well as they do; in the right hands.

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Old 04-29-2019, 04:46 PM   #1122 (permalink)
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I guess that, at least for me, watching home improvement shows is wishful thinking, that I would remember this if I ever needed to.

Oh look, I would be better off focusing on projects and learning things as-needed.

[Edit] I originally calculated that I should remember 13.2 seconds from a half-hour home improvement show with twenty-two minutes of actual content. The "Princess Bride" meme that I attached was relevant to that.
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My kind of home improvement the Self-deployable Tiny House:

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More indicators of Tesla technical superiority:

Halbach arrays in the motors:

https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2019/0...ntage.html?amp

Much more efficient in a hill test:

https://insideevs.com/reviews/346088...fficiency/amp/

We could get into neutral networks and autonomy, but I don't think this is the right forum for that.
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Old 04-30-2019, 09:55 AM   #1125 (permalink)
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More indicators of Tesla technical superiority:

Halbach arrays in the motors:

https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2019/0...ntage.html?amp

Much more efficient in a hill test:

https://insideevs.com/reviews/346088...fficiency/amp/

We could get into neutral networks and autonomy, but I don't think this is the right forum for that.
Did you watch that TFLcar video? They both ended up using the exact same range in the end. The Leaf just didn't know they were going to go back to home and was assuming they were just going to continue using battery at the rate that had been using the battery as in the Tesla they programmed the route and they didn't program the route in the Leaf. Maybe it wouldn't have mattered but it was an unnecessary variable they left out. Bottom line, in the end both cars had exactly the same range remaing back at the garage and when plugged in both cars said it was going to take over 24 hours to recharge.
To me that was the surprising part, a say 30 hour recharge after not even a 100% drain would be hard to live with if your daily routine involved using more than 50% of the range of either car.
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We could get into neutral networks and autonomy, but I don't think this is the right forum for that.
Yeah, network neutrality and personal autonomy should be in The Lounge.
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Did you watch that TFLcar video? They both ended up using the exact same range in the end. The Leaf just didn't know they were going to go back to home and was assuming they were just going to continue using battery at the rate that had been using the battery as in the Tesla they programmed the route and they didn't program the route in the Leaf. Maybe it wouldn't have mattered but it was an unnecessary variable they left out. Bottom line, in the end both cars had exactly the same range remaing back at the garage and when plugged in both cars said it was going to take over 24 hours to recharge.
To me that was the surprising part, a say 30 hour recharge after not even a 100% drain would be hard to live with if your daily routine involved using more than 50% of the range of either car.
If they both used the same range, the 3 should be more efficient. The Leaf would have been as efficient as the 3 if it used less rated range than the 3 did and the difference was enough to offset the lower MPGe. So if the Leaf got 97mpge highway and the 3 got 112mpge highway, then to be as efficient as the 3 the leaf would need to use 97/112 miles for every mile the 3 used.

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find...41277&id=40812
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Less than $35,000...!

Tesla doesn't really want to sell a $35,000 Model 3... so they made it even cheaper!

In Canada any EV with a base price below CAD$45,000 (just under US$35,000) qualifies for a $5,000 incentive.
Which handily excluded even the base spec Model 3.

So Tesla released a base Model 3 for CAD$44,999 ...
https://electrek.co/2019/05/01/tesla...ada-incentive/
This special edition has a smacking range of 150 km (93 miles)! Software limited.
I bet you can charge it from completely empty to completely full in less than a quarter of an hour at a Supercharger

Of course, you can get options like fancy paint, nice wheels, more range; as long as you stay below $55,000 total.
I bet more than a few buyers will be tempted to pay for the extra range.

Dodgy? That incentive is dodgy, crafted to exclude Tesla.
The Montys get what they deserve. For good measure:


Anyway, excellent news for Canadian Tesla buyers.
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That incentive is dodgy, crafted to exclude Tesla.

Maybe it was intended to nudge Tesla to respond the way they did.



It's possible the incentive threshold was picked knowing some automakers might lower their base prices, making their cars available to more potential buyers.


The feds did something like this (nudging the automakers) about 10 years ago when we used to have an incentive on fuel-efficient ICE vehicles. One trim level of the Toyota Corolla made the cut (and of course their hybrid cars), but the non-hybrid Honda Civic missed it by a hair. Honda responded by ecomodding their base Civic: outfitting it with LRR tires, lighter wheels, and a few aero mods to boost its rating by a few MPG and qualify for the rebate. To this day, I still see a lot of those Civics on the road.
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If they both used the same range, the 3 should be more efficient. The Leaf would have been as efficient as the 3 if it used less rated range than the 3 did and the difference was enough to offset the lower MPGe. So if the Leaf got 97mpge highway and the 3 got 112mpge highway, then to be as efficient as the 3 the leaf would need to use 97/112 miles for every mile the 3 used.

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find...41277&id=40812
The whole test didn't make much sense but the point is, the Tesla isn't "much more efficient in a hill test." What you would have had to do is meter the energy it took to refill the batteries AND then used their actual electricity rate in Boulder CO and figure the equivalent MPG they got. They should have also taken a new Prius along and compared that to their final.

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